Comments on: NSW Formula States

By: gre-969

gre-969 — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:21:29 +0000

Hy Formula sailors,
In Greece for first time in ‘08 we started the Formula + categorie after Jason Roditis told us about the success you have in Australia with the newcomers in that sport.
But during the first events we started having the same problems like you about scores in the overall list, so the only solution for us was to count the best Formula + sailor always behind the last Formula open sailor at the overall score.
But with this situation you do not really give the push to the Formula+ sailor to become a better sailor and to compare him self with the other of the open class.
For that reason we change the rule for the F+ into doing 2 rounds instead of one and compromise to shortener the race from 1600m to 1200m of the marks and it works perfectly and everybody seems to be satisfied with that desicion and the F+ competitor can really compare him self now with the others but still getting his medal of the F+ categorie.

Sorry for my bad english.

Secretary of GREEK FORMULA WINDSURFING ASSOCIATION
Christian Frey

web site http://www.fwa.gr

By: JayBee

JayBee — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:37:33 +0000

That would be “craic” then.

Remember – the 27th. Yoghurt truck hitting a brick wall.

Happy Xmas mate, hope Santa is good to you and brings you everything you want.

By: Jason Roditis

Jason Roditis — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:05:17 +0000

Hey John, I always look forward to meeting up with you. Would hate to waste the opportunity for a beer and some good “CRACK”, because of this topic.

NB (CRACK [spelling?]- Irish expression for good time, not drug related)

Oh, and yes i’m in Asia for work. Late night hobbies here are easy to find. ;-)

Merry Xmas everyone

By: JayBee

JayBee — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:04:59 +0000

Jase,

Hopefully you are overseas, otherwise you need to find a hobby to keep you entertained at 2.30am.

I think you made a great point, and that you are not the only one who feels that way. I also think the lack of online discussion is not a reflection of apathy, but rather an indication that this is a discusson to have in person.
Soon it will be Xmas holidays, when all windsurfers make go great efforts to get away from their inlaws, and spend their time wandering the shoreline in search of common minded others. Onvce our paths cross we can have a real discussion regarding the format of the results. Brett changed the format last year because of a similar issue with combining slalom and formula results, I expect he will consider any further changes that we propose.

By: Jason Roditis

Jason Roditis — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:34:12 +0000

I guess as long as,,,,,

“”"”I actually really like the way the results end up”"”"

,,,,, then that is obviously what is most important.

I must be the only person who feels this way. Given the lack of other posts regarding this almost pointless issue.

Once again, please accept my sincerest apologies.

Would hate to rock the boat any more than I already have

By: Tristan

Tristan — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:30:44 +0000

I agree with you Brett. As I mentioned in my first comment above ( 6 ); it is only in rare circumstances that the FE+ gets in the middle, the effort to do 1 lap is comparable to 2 laps of the open fleet, and it is nice to be compared with the open fleet. Besides, if it helps you to upgrade people the system is even the better.

By: admin

admin — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:09:56 +0000

I have done the overall results this way on purpose. The reason being that it encourages finishing, and punishes DNF, regardless of excuses.
It also demonstrates who in the FE+ should probable more to the open fleet and who in the Open Fleets should move to the FE+ fleet. (mostly from not finishing every race on a given day).
Admittedly race 2 on Saturday was a bizarre timing for a front to hit, considering the races are only 15mins long, but that is racing……
I actually really like the way the results end up, with FE+ guys getting better places in the overall results from finishing every race. If guys in the open fleet don’t finish races then they will get worse results…

By: Tristan

Tristan — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:53:32 +0000

Jason,

I dont think anyone took any of your comments as trying to get a better position in last w-end. Hence, there is no need to appologise. I think it is a valid point: trying to clarify how things are and explore if there may be a better way of benchmarking the two classes. Dont feel bad mate.

By: Jason Roditis

Jason Roditis — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:22:29 +0000

My intention was not to climb above anyone on the score sheet or to be placed higher or lower.

Just as Fe+ guys need to feel part of the whole, and be able to compare their performances with the main fleet. Giving them a sense of worth and achievement. So too do the “”"Tail enders of the main fleet”"” need the same fortification of worth and achievement. I race to get better and feel like i’m making improvement. To set goals and then set about achieving my targets. Just as we all do at some level.

My initial raising of this subject was to bring attention to the fact that in giving direct comparison/recognition of the FE+ sailors’ efforts in order to include and encourage, unintentionally the efforts of us tail enders as we call ourselves were being overlooked.

As i said before, i regret and apologize for even bringing this up at all.

By: JayBee

JayBee — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:21:52 +0000

I have done the numbers and as expected there are some winners and some losers.
There is no impact at all until 12th spot (A Woodrow up 3)
Jason – You are up 2 from 19 to 17th, deadheating with Bruce Healey but getting ahead on countback).