Comments on: NSW Windsurfing Series – Heat 7

By: Mike Nelson

Mike Nelson — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:40:13 +0000

just noticed something interesting – at Heat 4 we had twice the slalom races to the number of formula races and the same scoring was used – so you could argue that unfavourable biased formula in that instance

net result – ‘even stevens’!? or ‘even brett’s??

if they are still even after heat 8 can we have a beyond thunderdome finale?? 2 men enter one man leaves?? maybe it can be a red vodka fire engine challenge, befitting of hawks nest!

By: James Farley

James Farley — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:22:04 +0000

Apparently Scarlett was almost in tears with the thought that her Dad might not win a trophy. Rachel unsuccessfully tried to explain to her about divisions etc!

Watch out anyone that gets in Brett’s way at Hawks Nest – you will have to deal with the wrath of Scarlett!

By: Brett Morris

Brett Morris — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:19:02 +0000

Hey Ben. don’t worry my kids love to remind me after every race that i can’t beat Sean.

Ps, Couldn’t help but notice you beating me to the 1st mark a couple of times during the weekend…Great to see how far you have come so quickly….

By: Sam Parker

Sam Parker — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:36:09 +0000

I take it Brett’s kids got you on Sunday Ben?

By: John Hurley

John Hurley — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:55:59 +0000

Overall Results Questions…
Why do we combine the results to get a Heat winner?
The NOS says that “Eligible competitors shall score points towards the series point score on the basis of their finishing position at each individual heat.”
This implies that we need to establish a single “finishing position” for each competitor in each Heat.

Why is this result the result used for the overall series calculations?
The NOS says “The competitor with the lowest combined score for the slalom and formula will be the “NSW Windsurfing Series” winner.”
The implication here is that we must “combine the scores” (not the results) from each discipline to establish the “finishing position” that carries forward. (as above)

Specific Heat 7 questions…
Why has the scoring changed?
The SI’s and NOR were rewritten during the off-season to address scoring issues we encountered last season. This is why last seasons scoring system is different to this seasons. This has been the situation all season, and Heat 4 was scored as Heat 7.

Why were slalom races not discarded?
Because the SI’s stipulate “one discard for every four races completed in each discipline”. This means no discard for Slalom in Heat 7 because there were only 3 races completed.

Point of Note for anyone who may end up tied in the overall standings after Heat 8.
NOR says – “If there is a tie then the winner of the last race that both competitors races against each other will determine the result.”
I have never seen this type of tie breaker in action, but it does have some very exciting strategic implications.

Is this system perfect – probably not, we can revisit them during the off season.

If anyone has any further questions, I can be contacted at johnbhurley *at* hotmail (dot) com, or on my mobile.

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:11:47 +0000

Thanks for going in to bat for me Steve, the cheques in the mail. Dont wish to take away from the excellent efforts of the many who organise and run the events but this scoring method does seem slalom biased..oh well…Heat 7 was brilliant….the highlight for me was being greeted at the waters edge by Bretts’ kids announcing “Our dad beat you”.
Worth the $30 alone

By: steven floyd

steven floyd — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:08:20 +0000

Ok my turn…

What’s going on with the scoring when we do a combination of slalom and formula in a weekend?

Would have thought the result would have been the combination of the slalom and formula racing for the weekend. Ie 11 races with 2 drops.

Not as is with results from 8 formula races (2 drops) and 3 slalom races (NO drops) being added together.

Have a look at the method results were calculated for heat1 2007. http://www.storm-riders.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/nsw-windsurfing-series-heat-1-8.xls

Have the rules changed since then??

This is a much fairer way!

Method used this year is not fair as potentially 1 slalom race has the same weighting as 9 formula races. And allows for fairer drops. (Especially for the guys that don’t race slalom)

Are the results being calculated correctly?

What do you think we should do for this year?

What about next year?

Thanks
Steven.

By: Tibor

Tibor — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:04:02 +0000

Goodness gracious!….don`t you all love this! You should all be ashamed doing this to your grandfather! pussies!

By: Rick Murray

Rick Murray — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:47:13 +0000

Thats right Bruce you should be in front of Tibor on your count back.
If Brett is in front of Steve on their count back , you should be in front of Tibor in yours.
We have 2 sets of rules in play here.

By: John Hurley

John Hurley — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:24:38 +0000

Yes Bruce, you are correct. You should be placed above Tibor, that was my mistake.

If your results are placed in order you have the highest result, so under the rules for this series you win the tie. This is exactly how Brett is ahead of Steve – They both have the same number of firsts, but Brett has 2 seconds while Steve only has 1.
I thought I had split all the ties correctly, but obviously I was mistaken.
J